
Trad Wife vs. Girl Boss? Reshma Saujani Says It’s All a Distraction
Clip: 6/22/2026 | 18mVideo has Closed Captions
Reshma Saujani discusses her new documentary, "No Country for Mothers."
"Girl boss" and "trad wife" are terms you may have heard used to describe women today. Suppose most women with children wanted something in between? Reshma Saujani, CEO of Moms First, is tackling this issue in her new documentary, "No Country for Mothers." Saujani discusses the film with Hari Sreenivasan.
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Trad Wife vs. Girl Boss? Reshma Saujani Says It’s All a Distraction
Clip: 6/22/2026 | 18mVideo has Closed Captions
"Girl boss" and "trad wife" are terms you may have heard used to describe women today. Suppose most women with children wanted something in between? Reshma Saujani, CEO of Moms First, is tackling this issue in her new documentary, "No Country for Mothers." Saujani discusses the film with Hari Sreenivasan.
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BUT MUST --WOMEN WITH CHILDREN SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.
RESHMA SAUJANI, THE CEO OF MOMS FIRST THE SECOND ISSUE IN HER DOCUMENTARY, NO COUNTRY FOR MOTHERS.
HERE SHE IS WITH .
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
IS BUT YOU ARE THE CEO OF MOMS FIRST AND BEFORE THAT, GIRLS CODE.
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS REALLY INTERESTING DOCUMENT TREE OUT CALLED NO COUNTRY FOR MOTHERS.
AND THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT ARE FACING MOTHERHOOD TODAY AND ALMOST GOING BACK IN TIME AS WELL AND SHOWING HOW THESE CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WELL.
FIRST, WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS FILM NOW?
>> WHAT MADE ME WANT TO MAKE THIS FROM NOW IS I THINK SOME OF THE POLICY ISSUES WE ARE CLOSE ALREADY.
THEY'RE CLOSE TO CHILDCARE AND PAID THE FAMILY HAVE EVER BEEN BUT I THINK WHAT'S STANDING IN THE WAY OF US PASSING THESE POLICIES IS CULTURE WARS.
I THINK EVERY TIME WHEN MAKE PROGRESS, WE ARE HANDED A CULTURE WAR TO DISTRACT AND DIVIDE US AND I THOUGHT, IF I CAN DO AN INVESTIGATION INTO REALLY LOOKING INTO WHAT IS IT ABOUT AMERICAN MOTHERHOOD IN PARTICULAR THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED --LITERALLY SINCE THE INK DRIED ON THE CONSTITUTION TO CON WOMEN INTO THINKING THAT THESE BINARY CHOICES.
IF I COULD MAKE WHEN SEE THAT AND NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT CULTURE WERE, I THINK WE WOULD GET MILES CLOSER TO WINNING SOME OF THESE BATTLES.
>> WE SAW SO MANY WOMEN DROP OUT OF THE WORKFORCE IN THE PANDEMIC.
IT WAS THIS MOMENT THAT THE ENTIRE WORLD PAID ATTENTION TO IDEAS LIKE MENTAL LOAD AND HIS TAKING CARE OF WHAT.
WHAT MADE YOU COME OUT OF THAT AND LOOK AT THIS NOT JUST AS A PANDEMIC RELATED THING BUT MORE OF A STRUCTURAL ISSUE?
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I HAD MY SECOND BABY DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT BECOMING THE MOTHER FOR A PANDEMIC BB THAT JUST EVANGELIZES YOU.
BECAUSE YOU REALIZE, WHEN WE HAVE CHOICES, WE OFTEN DEEP FAULT TO MAKING UP THE MOM THE THE MARTYR.
MAKING HER BR DEFAULT SOCIAL NET.
SO SY WAS BORN IN 2020.
THE WORLD SHUT DOWN.
I HAD TO GO BACK TO REBUILDING GIRLS WHO CODE FROM SCRATCH.
WHEN THE PANDEMIC STARTED, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY THAT 51% OF THE LABOR FORCE WAS WOMEN.
WE WERE FLYING OUR FEMINIST FLAGS HIGH.
WHEN THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED, WE WERE SHUTTING DOWN SCHOOLS AND BAD MOTHERS LIKE ME LOGON HER SIX-YEAR-OLDS AT THE SAME TIME OF HAVING TO SHUT OFF AT THE OFFICE.
SHORT AT OUR VIRTUAL OFFICE ON ZOOM AT THE SAME TIME AND WE JUST DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.
WE ASSUMED THAT MOTHERS WOULD ACTUALLY DO IT.
AND YOU SAW, FOUR TIMES AS MANY WOMEN LEAVE THE WORKFORCE AS MEANT IN COVID BECAUSE IN AMERICA, TWO THIRDS OF THE CAREGIVING WORK IS BEING DONE BY ONE.
WE ARE THE CAREGIVERS.
WE ARE BASICALLY BALANCING TWO JOBS AT THE SAME TIME WITH NO SUPPORT AND NO HELP, AND YET, WE TRY TO APPROACH FIXING EQUALITY FOR AMERICAN WOMEN BY, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM ANOTHER SKILL SET.
BY TELLING THEM TO COLOR-CODED THEIR CALENDAR.
ABOUT THIS BEFORE THEY GO TO A MEETING IN THE MORNING.
WE MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THEY ARE THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE STRUCTURE.
AND I REALIZE, OH MY GOD, WE'VE BEEN GETTING CONNED.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING CONNED SINCE THE INK DRIED ON THE CONSTITUTION.
THIS IS NEVER BEEN ABOUT OUR INADEQUACIES.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THEIR INABILITY AND A LACK OF WILL TO SOLVE THE STRUCTURAL BIASES LIKE PAID LEAVE IN CHILDCARE THAT PUT US IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE AND I WANTED TO GO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND THAT'S WHY I STARTED MOMS FIRST.
>> THIS TENSION ABOUT MOTHERHOOD AND WOMANHOOD AND FEMININITY AND WHO CONTRIBUTES AND WHAT'S VALUABLE IN A FAMILY OR THE ECONOMY, AS YOU POINT OUT IN THIS FILM, IS THAT DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THIS TENSION HAVE BEEN KIND OF STRUCTURALLY ARCHITECTED AND CAMPAIGNED FOR DECADES.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
I MEAN PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY WAS THE OJI TRAD WIFE.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE WOMEN ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.
MOST AMERICAN WOMEN DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS.
THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A WONDERFUL POSITION IN OUR COUNTRY.
>> AND SO THE DYNAMIC HAS ALWAYS EXISTED SINCE I THINK WOMEN STARTED WORKING IN AMERICA WHICH IS FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME IS TRAD WIFE GIRL BOSS.
I'D ARGUE IT'S THE SAME CONE, A NEW COSTUME.
SHE COMES IN DIFFERENT FORMS.
STAY AT HOME MOM, GIRL BOSS, STAY-AT-HOME MOM, TRAD WIFE.
WHAT THAT DOES IS IT DIVIDES AND DISTRACTS US.
IT MAKES WOMEN THINK THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF WOMEN WANT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE.
RIGHT?
WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
AND AS I TRAVEL THE COUNTRY, I DIDN'T NEED A MOM THAT WANTED TO HUSTLE SO HARD THAT SHE NEVER SAW HER KIDS OR SPEND HER TIME, YOU KNOW, LOOKING ACCOUNT.
THESE ARE MADE UP CULTURE WARS.
MOST --THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM I CAN WOMEN, 99% OF THEM CAN'T AFFORD TO BE A GIRL BOSS OR A TRAD WIFE.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WE GET SO DISTRACTED IN DEFENDING OUR CHOICES THAT WE DON'T REALIZE THAT WE ARE BEING TRICKED.
WE ACTUALLY DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE IS MORE TO US THAT UNITES US THAN DIVIDES US AND THAT WAS MY PURPOSE OF NO COUNTRY FOR MOTHERS.
I WANTED PEOPLE TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS FILM AND BE LIKE, OH MY GOD.
THIS ONE AT THE TURNING POINT CONFERENCE, I MAY NOT AGREE WITH 90% OF THAT, BUT 10%, WE AGREE.
WE AGREE ON CHILDCARE.
WE AGREED THAT AMERICAN MOTHERHOOD IS BROKEN.
WE AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE SUPPORT.
IF WE CAN WALK.
IF WE CAN COME TOGETHER ON THOSE LINES, THESE ISSUES AREN'T PARTISAN.
>> I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR YOUR GENERATION, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MESSAGING IN YOUR GENERATION HAS BEEN TOUGH, WHICH IS THAT YOU SHOULD GO GO GO AND PUT WORK FIRST, AND THAT'S ALL A GREAT MESSAGE AS A WOMAN UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN.
>> YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS BENEFITING, RIGHT, UP FROM OUR DIVISION.
FOR EXAMPLE, POLITICIANS ARE BENEFITING FROM US BEING DIVIDED.
RIGHT.
FROM US BEING IN THESE TWO DIFFERENT CAMPS.
INFLUENCERS OR OTHERS WHO ARE TRYING TO SELL A BOOK OR MAKING MONEY ARE GETTING FAMOUS OFF OF HAVING US REACH BAIT ONLINE.
TECH COMPANIES ARE MAKING AD REVENUE AND MONEY OFF OF OUR OWN DIVISION, AND SO THESE ARE STRATEGIES BY OTHER PEOPLE TO GET WEALTHIER OR MORE POWERFUL OR MORE FAMOUS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT LOSE OUR MOMS.
>> AT ONE POINT IN THE FILM, WE HEAR THE STATISTIC THAT THE U. S. IS THE ONLY INDUSTRIALIZED NATION WITHOUT GUARANTEED PAID LEAVE.
40% OF PARENTS HAVE GONE INTO DEBT BECAUSE OF CHILDCARE COSTS AND THAT WOMEN STILL DO MOST OF THE UNPAID LABOR AT HOME.
I MEAN, THOSE STATS EACH ON THEIR OWN WOULD BE PRETTY HUGE BUT ALL OF THEM ARE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY IN A PLACE WHERE WE THINK THAT, WELL, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO BOTH.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
PEOPLE ARE DROWNING BECAUSE OF CHILDCARE COSTS.
THEY ARE ONE BAD DAY AWAY FROM FINANCIAL RUN.
A CAR BREAKING DOWN, A HEALTH EVENT.
BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR SAVINGS GOES INTO CHILDCARE.
SO WHEN YOU'VE SEEN STATES -- WHEN THEY HAD A SURPLUS OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT, AND I LOOK AT, WELL, WHAT ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT I CAN DO FOR OUR FAMILY, WHAT ARE ALL THE, LIKE, WAYS I CAN GIVE THEM MORE RESOURCES, OFTENTIMES, POLICYMAKERS COME TO THE DECISION THAT IF I CAN LOWER CHILDCARE COSTS, IF I CAN MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE, I ACTUALLY CAN TAKE FAMILIES OUT OF A PRECARIOUS FINANCIAL SITUATION AND PUT THEM ON THE PATH TO THE AMERICAN DREAM, AND SO, CHILDCARE IS THE LINCHPIN OF AFFORDABILITY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MOMS --WE HAVE BEEN DRIVING TOWARDS FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, TAKING OUT SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SEEN AS THE PERSONAL PROBLEM.
THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM AS A FAMILY THAT YOU HAVE TO FIX.
TO IT BEING AN ECONOMIC ISSUE.
WORKERS CAN'T WORK WITHOUT CHILDCARE.
, AND BUSINESSES DON'T WORK WITHOUT WORKERS, AND SO, IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, IF YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT STABILIZING AMERICAN FAMILIES, THE OPTION THAT YOU CHOOSE IS LOWERING CHILDCARE COSTS, PERIOD.
>> IF YOU WIN IN NOVEMBER, CAN YOU COMMIT TO PRIORITIZING LEGISLATION TO MAKE CHILDCARE AFFORDABLE AND IF SO, WHAT SPECIFIC PIECE OF LEGISLATION WOULD YOU ADVANCE?
>> DURING THE 2024 CAMPAIGN, I REMEMBER IN MY MEDIA SEED, SEEING A CLIP OF YOU ASKING PRESIDENT TRUMP A QUESTION, AND IT WAS LITERALLY ABOUT THIS.
RIGHT?
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF HIS RESPONSE THEN AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIS MOST RECENT RESPONSES WHEN THIS TOPIC HAS COME BACK UP?
>> I THINK I SAID IN THE FILM I WAS SHOCKED THEY WEREN'T PREPARED.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.
AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF WAS INSULTING.
WHAT I WILL GIVE THEM IS HE SAID IN HIS RESPONSE WHEN I ASKED WHAT HE WOULD DO TO FIX CHILDCARE, HE SAID, CHILDCARE IS CHILDCARE.
AMERICANS GOT TO HAVE IT, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, DURING EASTER, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS RAISED AGAIN, AND HE KIND OF SAYS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR CHILD CARE.
I GOT TO FOCUS ON PROTECTING THE COUNTRY.
I. E. , I HAVE TO FOCUS ON INVESTING AND PUTTING MONEY AND RESOURCES INTO FOREIGN WARS, AND SO MY REACTION TO THAT WAS LIKE, WOW, YOU GOT BILLIONS FOR BOMBS, BUT PENNIES FOR MOMS AND KIDS.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY REMARKABLE, IN HIS AND ADMITTING THAT HE IS PRETTY MUCH SAYING TO AMERICAN FAMILIES, SORRY, NOT SORRY.
I KNOW THE MATH AIN'T MATHING, BUT IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO PAY A BIG PRICE FOR THAT IN THE BALLOT BOX.
THEY ARE SAYING AT THE SAME TIME, YOU SEE KEY PEOPLE IN THIS ADMISSION COMBINING ABOUT THE DECLINING BIRTHRATE AND MAKING IT SEEM LIKE THAT'S OUR PROBLEM OR THAT IF I GIVE MEDALS TO MOTHERS OR BUILD FERTILITY HIGHWAYS OR IF I JUST TAKE AWAY D. E. I. OR HAVE FEWER WOMEN BECOME ENGINEERS --IF I HAVE LESS EDUCATED WOMEN AND GIVE US OPPORTUNITIES TO MEN, THAT THOSE WOMEN WILL HAVE BABIES.
AND THEY ARE SO WRONG ABOUT THAT.
DESPITE WHERE SHOULD THE SOLUTION COME FROM?
SHOULD IT BE A FEDERAL POLICY OR AS THE ADMIN STATION SAYS, THIS IS A STATE-BY-STATE ISSUE.
>> I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE BOTH.
YOU ARE SEEING, I THINK STATES LIKE NEW MEXICO AND VERMONT HERE, VERY INVOLVED WITH GOVERNOR HOGLE, GETTING US CLOSER TO UNIVERSAL CHILDCARE SO I CAN SEE HOW THIS HAPPENS.
I THINK STATES ARE HAVING TO DO IT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS REFUSED TO FIX IT.
RIGHT.
CHILDCARE IS BROKEN BECAUSE IT'S A MARKET FAILURE.
STATES CAN PAY MORE --WRITE, AND SEE NEED TO HAVE EITHER A GOVERNMENT OR A PRIVATE SECTOR OPTION.
WE KNOW WITH APGAR, THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR SOLVING THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY AND SO I THINK STATES HAVE HAD TO USE THEIR SURPLUSES BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INVESTMENT FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND SO I THINK IF IT CONTINUES THIS WAY, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO SAY NOT OUR PROBLEM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO FORCE STATES TO DO IT BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SIMILAR TO ABORTION, I FEEL -- AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT PARTISAN --77% OF THEM RECKONS IRREGARDLESS OF WHO THEY VOTED FOR, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CHILDCARE.
PERIOD.
>> ONE OF THE MOMS HAD AN INTERESTING ANECDOTE ABOUT WHAT THE COSTS ARE IF YOUR CHILD IS ACCUSED OF ACTING UP IN SCHOOL.
>> AND AS I REPORTED, THE INCIDENCE AGAINST BLACK BOYS, BLACK GIRLS, THE IMPACT AS A PARENT TO LEAVE YOUR JOB.
>> A LOT OF TIMES, MANY OF US ARE NOT IN JOBS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE LIBERTIES >> TO DO THAT.
>> MANY OF US ARE HOURLY WORKERS.
A SIMPLE THING CAN LEAD TO A DOMINO EFFECT OF DISASTER FOR A FAMILY.
>> THERE IS A REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, WITH THE JOBS NUMBERING 500,000 WOMEN LEFT THE WORKFORCE AND THEY WERE MOSTLY WOMEN WHO HAD CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S A TIME WHERE KIDS --AS YOU NOTE DOZIER GETS NEED A LOT OF ATTENTION.
THEY GET THE FLU.
THERE ARE SO MANY UNPLANNED EMERGENCIES, EVENTS, THINGS THAT HAPPEN, AND IT'S ALWAYS ON MOMS TO BE THE ONES TO GO TO IT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYERS WHO ALREADY ARE ASSUMING THAT WE ARE LESS ENGAGED THE MINUTE WE HAVE A CHILD IN OUR JOBS AND SO WE ARE DISPOSABLE, AND IT'S WE HAVE THE MOTHER PENALTY AND YOU HAVE WOMEN MAKING 6% LESS IN INCOME THE MINUTE THEY BECOME A MOM.
WE DON'T LIVE IN A COUNTRY OR A SOCIETY OR WORKPLACES THAT HAVE A LOT OF GRACE FOR MOTHERS.
PERIOD.
AND SO IT HAS DISASTROUS ECONOMIC COSTS AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT MANY POLICYMAKERS THINK WE ARE LIVING IN THE 1950s.
THERE SOMEBODY EVEN HAS THE ABILITY TO LIVE AT HOME.
I MEAN STAY AT HOME AND NOT WORK.
IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
LIKE, PEOPLE ARE DROWNING.
YOU NEED TO HAVE TWO INCOMES, WE SHOULD BE BUILDING AND SOLVING THIS PROBLEMS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SINGLE MOMS.
IF I CAN CREATE A SOCIETY THAT WORKS FOR HER, IT WILL WORK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT WAY ABOUT THIS.
>> THE CREDITS OF THIS FILM INCLUDE 2500 PRODUCERS.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT STRATEGY IN THIS ERA.
YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO GET AN OSCAR AND HAVE THEM JIM FOX, HOWEVER, PUT THIS ON MEGA FLEX SCREENS.
TELL ME A LITTLE ABOUT THAT.
>> WE ARE NOT.
LISTEN, , I LEARNED IN DOING THIS WORK THAT WE ARE IN A MOMENT WHERE A LOT OF WOMEN'S CONTENT OR A LOT OF CONTENT ABOUT WOMEN'S ISSUES --ABOUT POOR PEOPLE, BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, IS GETTING SUPPRESSED, AND SO EVEN IF I HAD A STREAMER BY IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY GET BURIED.
AND I DIDN'T WANT THAT.
THIS MOVIE IS MADE FOR A SPECIFIC AUDIENCE.
MOMS, TO MAKE THEM SEEN AND TC THEM MAKE CHANGE.
AND SO THE WAY THAT WE CREATED IT, ONE, WAS, AGAIN, WE BLEW THE WORLD RECORD FOR MOST AMOUNT OF ASSOCIATE PRODUCERS ON A FILM IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, EVER.
BLEW IT OUT THE WINDOW.
THE THE SECOND THING WE'VE DONE IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WATCH THIS FILM IS IF YOU HAVE A SCREENING BECAUSE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL.
I DON'T WANT TO EVEN GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE ON YOUR COUCH.
YOU NEED TO SEE IT WITH OTHER MOMS SO YOU ARE ALL LIKE, OH MY GOD, AND THEN WE DO SOMETHING.
THERE'S ALREADY 1400 SCREENINGS IN THE COUNTRY.
ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
EVERYWHERE.
AND IT'S LIKE NOTHING I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE.
>> YOU SHARE A LOT ABOUT YOUR OWN FAMILY AND YOUR STRUGGLES HAVING A CHILD AND HOW YOU ARE RAISING THESE TWO BOYS NOW, BUT I WONDER, LIKE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE STRUGGLES OF HOW WE DEFINE WOMANHOOD AND FEMININITY, THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS OTHER CONVERSATION ALSO HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY ABOUT WHAT IT IS TO BE A BOY, WHAT IT IS TO BE A MAN, WHAT IT IS TO BE MASCULINE.
>> YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING A LITTLE BIT ON THE RIGHT RIGHT NOW WHERE THE WAY THEY KIND OF TAKEDOWN THAT IS BY TELLING THEM THAT THEY ARE FEMININE, THAT THEY ARE WEAK.
IT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN SAY TO A MAN IS CALLED HIM A WOMAN.
ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?
I THINK WE ARE IN THIS MOMENT OF REAL TRADITIONALISM WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO BOX WOMEN INTO CATEGORIES AND WE ARE TRYING TO BOX MEN INTO CATEGORIES AND IT'S THE SAME CONE.
IT'S THE SAME PLAY.
IT'S LIKE --WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SO POWERFUL WAS THE COUPLE AT THE END IN THE FILM THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, MORE CONSERVATIVE, AND HE WAS BASICALLY LIKE, HEY, I AM THE ONE THAT IS MOST OF THE CHILDCARE.
THAT WORKS FOR OUR FAMILY.
>> I STAY HOME NOW DURING THE DAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
IS MY GENDER ROLE DIFFERENT NOW?
>> AND, I WAS LIKE, EXACTLY.
RIGHT?
LET PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT WORKS FOR THEIR FAMILY AND STOP TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE INTO BOXES.
>> LET'S SAY SOMEBODY ATTENDS ONE OF THESE 1000+ SCREENINGS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AT THE END OF THIS, AND HASTEN ABOUT THE CONVERSATION UP WHAT'S NEXT, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST TO THEM, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THEM?
IS THERE LEGISLATION THEY SHOULD BE OPTING FOR?
IS THERE A PARTICULAR PERSON THEY SHOULD CONTACT?
>> WE HAVE TO ACTIVELY REBUILD OUR MUSCLES TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THESE CULTURE WARS.
SO WHEN WE ARE ABOUT TO JUDGE SOMEBODY OR SHAME THEM, TO PULL BACK AND REMEMBER, LET THEM MAKE CHOICES THAT ARE GOOD FOR THEM.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I NEED TO MAKE THE SAME THING.
WE REMOVE OURSELVES FROM PARTICIPATION IN THE CULTURE WARS, AND I THINK I WOULD GO A LONG WAY.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, YOU KNOW, I WANT PEOPLE TO --I WANT TO WALK OUT OF THESE SCREENINGS, WALK OUT OF THIS MOVEMENT BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MORE SUPPORTERS AND VOTERS THAT ARE CHILDCARE VOTERS.
LIKE I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE MIDTERMS AND BEYOND TO GET CHILDCARE LEGISLATION BOTH FEDERALLY AND IN THE STATES.
LIKE I SAID, THE ECONOMIC AND WOMEN'S --HEADWINDS ARE WITH US.
72% OF AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF PARTY MOTHERS.
WE ARE SO CLOSE THERE THAT I WANT THIS FILM IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEING BUILT OUT OF THIS FILM, THE MOVEMENT THAT IS BEING IGNITED FROM THE SUM TO PUSH IT OVER THE EDGE.
AND I KNOW IT WILL.
>> THE FILM IS CALLED NO COUNTRY FOR MOTHERS.
IT IS SCREENING AROUND THE UNITED STATES NOW.
NOW, ASK A PRODUCER AND CEO OF MOMS FIRST, DOCTOR.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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