♪ JOHN: TONIGHT ON PBS NEWS WEEKEND, POLICE TAKE A PERSON OF INTEREST INTO CUSTODY IN CONNECTION WITH THE MASS SHOOTING AT BROWN UNIVERSITY THAT KILLED TWO STUDENTS AND WOUNDED NINE OTHERS.

THEN, THERE ARE AT LEAST 15 VICTIMS IN A SHOOTING TARGETING AUSTRALIA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY, AS HUNDREDS GATHERED TO CELEBRATE THE FIRST DAY OF HANUKKAH.

AND, A VERY GOOD DOG WITH PROSTHETIC PAWS INSPIRES UKRAINIAN SOLDIE AS THEY RECOVER FROM THE WOUNDS OF WAR.

>> YOU FEEL A SENSE OF EMOTIONAL RELIEF - ESPECIALLY WITH A DOG HERE ON PROSTHETICS, JUST LIKE US.

IT'S TRULY WONDERFUL.

♪ >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE "PBS NEWS WEEKEND" HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY -- ♪ >> THE ONGOING SUPPORT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND INSTITUTIONS.

AND FRIENDS OF THE NEWS HOUR.

♪ > THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU.

JOHN: GOOD EVENING.

I'M JOHN YANG.

TONIGHT, TWO COMMUNITIES HALF A WORLD APART ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE AFTERMATH OF A MASS SHOOTING.

IN SYDNEY, TWO GUNMEN KILLED AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE CELEBRATING HANUKKAH ON AUSTRALIA'S MOST FAMOUS BEACH.

AUTHORITIES CALL IT A TERRORIST ATTACK ON JEWISH AUSTRALIANS.

AND WE BEGIN IN PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND, WHERE TWO BROWN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS WERE KILLED AND NINE OTHERS WOUNDED WHEN A MAN OPENED FIRE IN A CLASSROOM WHERE A REVIEW SESSION FOR AN ECONOMICS EXAM GOING ON.

AUTHORITIES SAY A PERSON OF INTEREST -- DESCRIBED AS A MAN IN HIS 20'S -- WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AT A HOTEL ABOUT 20 MILES FROM PROVIDENCE.

TODAY POLICE PATROLLED THE STREETS AROUND THE BROWN NIVERSITY CAMPUS AS SNOW FELL, A STARK CONTRAST TO LAST NIGHT, WHEN POLICE RESPONDED IN FORCE TO REPORTS OF AN ACTIVE SHOOTER.

THEY SEARCHED THE CAMPUS FOR A SUSPECT.

STUDENTS WERE TOLD TO SHELTER IN PLACE.

FOR SOME THAT MEANT A CLASSROOM OTHERS WERE ESCORTED TO AN , ATHLETIC CENTER.

ENGINEERING STUDENT CHIANGHENG CHIEN WAS WORKING IN A LAB WHEN THE ALERT WENT OUT.

>> WE DECIDED TO CLOSE ALL THE DOORS AND TURN ALSO THE LIGHTS OFF AND HIDE UNDER THE DESKS AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT NOTIFICATION.

JOHN: ANOTHER WITNESS DESCRIBED THE SCENE LAST NIGHT.

>> SOMEONE WAS GETTING CPR.

I SEEN A FEW PEOPLE GETTING CARRIED ON STRETCHERS.

JOHN: VIDEO FROM SURVILLANCE CAMERAS SHOW A FIGURE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE SHOOTING TOOK PLACE.

POLICE WON'T SAY IF IT LED THEM TO THE MAN THEY TOOK INTO CUSTODY.

THIS MORNING, PROVIDENCE MAYOR BRETT SMILEY REFLECTED ON THIS DIFFICULT TIME.

>> WE KNEW IT COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE, INCLUDING HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS IT HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY UPSETTING AND EMOTIONAL TIME FOR PROVIDENCE, FOR BROWN, FOR ALL OF US.

JOHN: SCHOOL OFFICIALS HAVE CANCELLED CLASSES AND EXAMS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.

MANY STUDENTS WILL HEAD HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

WHAT SHOULD BE A JOYOUS TIME, NOW SHATTERED BY THE TRAGIC CYCLE OF GUN VIOLENCE.

IT'S A SAD SIGN OF THE TIMES THAT THIS WAS NOT A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR AT LEAST TWO BROWN STUDENTS -- THEY HAD BEEN THROUGH SHOOTINGS AT THEIR HIGH SCHOOLS.

IAN DONNIS IS A REPORTER AT OCEAN STATE MEDIA, RHODE ISLAND'S PBS AND NPR STATIONS.

IS THERE ANYTHING NEW ON THE INVESTIGATION?

IAN: THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT, EARLY SUNDAY LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOK INTO CUSTODY A PERSON OF INTEREST AT A HOTEL IN COVENTRY ABOUT 20 FIVE MILES SOUTHWEST FROM PROVIDENCE.

OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN GUARDED IN RELEASING INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUSPECTS.

THEY SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE THE INFORMATION.

ONE OF THE FEW THINGS WE KNOW, HE IS A MAN IN HIS 20'S.

THE FBI DIRECTOR KASH PATEL ON X TWEETED THAT THE FBI HELPED TO LOCATE THE PERSON THROUGH CELL PHONE TRACKING AND A TIP FROM PROVIDENCE POLICE, BUT THE PROVIDENCE AUTHORITIES HAVE BEEN VERY GUARDING AND SAYING -- GUARDED IN SAYING ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.

JOHN: IS THERE SPECULATION ABOUT THE BUILDING HE CHOSE FOR THIS ATTACK?

IAN: IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

THE PLACE WHERE THE SHOOTING TOOK PLACE IS AN ENGINEERING AND PHYSICS BUILDING WHERE AN EXAM WAS BEING GIVEN.

THAT IS A VERY SPECIFIC LOCATION.

IF A MASS SHOOTING WANTED TO CREATE THE MOST CARNAGE, THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE PLACE THEY WOULD GO.

OFFICIALS HAVE NOT SAID WHETHER THE PERSON OF INTEREST PRIOR CONNECTION WITH BROWN UNIVERSITY.

THAT IS AN OBVIOUS QUESTION TO FOLLOW.

THEY HAVE NOT CITED ANYTHING AS FAR AS MOTIVE.

JOHN: WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE STUDENTS WHO WERE WOUNDED?

IAN: THERE IS BETTER NEWS ABOUT THAT.

TODAY OFFICIALS SAY THAT SEVEN OF THE NINE INJURED ARE NOW IN STABLE CONDITION.

THAT IS IMPROVEMENT FROM SATURDAY WHEN THEY WERE CRITICAL.

ONE PERSON IS STILL CRITICAL BUT STABLE.

ONE OF THE INJURED HAS BEEN DISCHARGED FROM THE HOSPITAL.

JOHN: AT THE BRIEFING I KNOW THE OPERATIVE REASON WHY THE NAMES OF THE TWO VICTIMS HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED.

IAN: THE MAYOR OF PROVIDENCE SAID NOT UNTIL ALL FAMILIES HAD BEEN NOTIFIED, THAT WAS THE EXPLANATION FOR WHY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED, THE TWO STUDENTS WHO WERE KILLED, AND THE OTHERS INJURED.

JOHN: HE SAID AT LEAST ONE OF THE FAMILIES WAS TRAVELING SO THEY WERE DIFFICULT TO REACH.

WHAT IS THE SITUATION ON CAMPUS RIGHT NOW?

IAN: THIS TAKES PLACE IN RHODE ISLAND, A SMALL STATE IN THE NATION WHERE WE ARE ALL CLOSELY CONNECTED WITH ONE ANOTHER.

THERE WAS CLEARLY A LOT OF ANXIETY AND CONCERN WHEN THE SHOOTER WAS CONSIDERED STILL AT LARGE YESTERDAY.

OFFICIALS PUT A SHELTER-IN-PLACE ORDER IN EFFECT AND THAT WAS LIFTED AFTER THE PERSON WAS APPREHENDED TODAY.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF SADNESS.

CERTAINLY RHODE ISLAND HAS EXPERIENCED GUN VIOLENCE IN TERMS OF CRIME AND EVEN SHOOTOUTS BUT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MASS SHOOTING OF THIS TYPE AND A LOT OF SADNESS.

THE BROWN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT CHRISTINA PAXTON SAID THE CAMPUS IS REELING, AND IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME FOR PEOPLE TO COPE WITH THIS.

STATE AND CITY OFFICIALS MADE COUNSELING RESOURCES TO ASSIST IN THAT EFFORT, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT.

JOHN: AT BROWN IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR CONCERN ABOUT HOW EASILY THIS SUSPECT WAS ABLE TO ENTER A CLASSROOM BUILDING?

IAN: INDICATIONS WERE THAT ACCESS WAS EASIER TO THIS BUILDING BECAUSE EXAMS WERE BEING GIVEN.

UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS SAID WHEN EXAMS ARE GIVEN LIKE THAT, THE OUTSIDE DOORS TO BUILDINGS ARE OPEN.

THEY EXPLAINED THAT USUALLY SOMEONE HAS TO CHECK IN IN THE EVENING.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF POROUS PLACES IN AN OPEN SOCIETY.

HOW TO STOP SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGAINST A PERSON INTENT ON COMMITTING VIOLENCE IS A TOUGH QUESTION TO RESOLVE.

JOHN: IAN DONNIS OF OCEAN STATE MEDIA AND RHODE ISLAND, THANK YOU.

LATE WORD SINCE WE SPOKE WITH IAN.

AUTHORITIES IDENTIFY THE PERSON OF INTEREST AS 24-YEAR-OLD BENJAMIN ERICKSON.

THERE ARE NO OTHER DETAILS.

NOW TO THE SHOOTING IN AUSTRALIA WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A SPIKE IN ANTI-SEMITIC INCIDENTS.

ALI ROGIN HAS THAT STORY.

ALI: A DEADLY ATTACK ON SYDNEY'S ICONIC BONDI BEACH SENT CROWDS FLEEING FOR SAFETY SUNDAY EVENING.

TWO GUNMEN - A FATHER AND SON ACCORDING TO POLICE OPENED FIRE ON A HANUKKAH CELEBRATION WHERE HUNDREDS HAD GATHERED FOR THE START OF THE EIGHT-DAY JEWISH HOLIDAY.

ONE ALLEGED GUNMAN APPEARED TO BE SHOOTING FROM BEHIND A PALM TREE, WHEN A BYSTANDER CREPT UP ON HIM AND SEIZED THE GUN.

THE SECOND GUNMAN TOOK AIM FROM A FOOTBRIDGE OVER A NEARBY PARKING LOT.

AT LEAST 16 PEOPLE ARE DEAD, INCLUDING THE GUNMAN AND A 12-YEAR-OLD CHILD.

38 OTHERS WERE WOUNDED.

YOUNG AND OLD HAD GATHERED FOR THE HANUKKAH EVENT.

>> I SEE, LIKE, A KID, LIKE SHE WAS LIKE MAYBE 8 YEARS OLD SHE GOT INJURED ON THE LEG.

AND SHE WAS CRYING AND SHE WAS ON THE GROUND, SO SHE WAS BEHIND HER MOM.

HER MOM WAS ON THE GROUND AS WELL.

ALI: FIN GREEN IS A TOURIST FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM.

>> I SAW AN OLDER LADY GET SHOT, I SAW AN OLDER GUY GET SHOT VERY , BADLY INJURED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND I JUST SAW A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SCREAMING, RUNNING TOWARDS ME, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

ALI: ONE GUNMAN WAS FATALLY SHOT BY POLICE AND THE SECOND, WHO WAS ARRESTED, IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION.

ONE OF THE MEN WAS KNOWN TO SECURITY SERVICES.

AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES DECLARED IT A TERRORIST ATTACK.

AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER ANTHONY ALBANESE -- >> THIS IS A TARGETED ATTACK ON JEWISH AUSTRALIANS ON THE FIRST DAY OF HANUKKAH, WHICH SHOULD BE A DAY OF JOY, A CELEBRATION OF FAITH.

AN ACT OF EVIL, ANTI-SEMITISM, TERRORISM THAT HAS STRUCK THE HEART OF OUR NATION.

ALI: THE MASSACRE IS THE LATEST IN A WAVE OF ANTISEMITIC INCIDENTS IN AUSTRALIA OVER THE LAST YEAR.

SYNAGOGUES AND CARS TORCHED, HOMES GRAFFITIED, AND JEWS ATTACKED.

AUSTRALIA BLAMED IRAN FOR TWO FOR THE ATTACKS AND CUT TIES TO TEHRAN.

BUT AUTHORITIES HAVE NOT MADE ANY CLAIMS ABOUT SUNDAY'S MASSACRE.

FOR MORE ON THIS TRAGEDY, I'M JOINED BY AMY SPITALNICK CEO OF THE NON-PROFIT JEWISH COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TO READ WE HAVE SEEN ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACKS ON THE RISE IN THE PAST DECADE.

SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT THIS IN A GLOBAL CONTEXT?

AMY: ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY SEEN A HORRIFIC CYCLE OF ANTI-SEMITISM FROM THE TREE OF ATTACK, OR THE ATTACK IN AUSTRALIA JUST THIS WEEKEND, MARKING THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, HANUKKAH, AND ATTACKS TARGETING JEWS IN THE U.S.

UNDER THE GUISE OF PROTESTING POLICY LIKE THE BOULDER MUSEUM ATTACKS THE SPRING.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT NONE OF THESE ARE HAPPENING IN A SILO, THERE PART OF A BROADER NORMALIZATION OF ANTI-SEMITIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND TROPES, THE MYTH OF JEWISH POWER THAT TARGETS JEWS.

RHETORIC LEADS TO REAL-WORLD VIOLENCE.

ALI: WHY IS IT THE SORT OF RHETORIC THAT LEADS TO ATTACKS LIKE THESE?

WHY IS IT SO PERVASIVE NOW?

AMY: IT IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY, PITTING COMMUNITIES AGAINST EACH OTHER, SHOWING DISTRUST IN OUR INSTITUTIONS IN DEMOCRACY AND FUNDAMENTALLY MAKING IT LESS SAFE NOT JUST FOR JEWS, BUT FOR YONE.

AS WE SEE THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES NORMALIZE, WHETHER IT IS REPLACEMENT AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES, OR CONSPIRACY AREAS ABOUT ZIONIST CONTROL OF FOREIGN POLICY OR FINANCES OR GOVERNMENT, WE ARE LIVING IN A TUMULTUOUS TIME.

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SCAPEGOATS.

ANTI-SEMITIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE MORE SALIENT THAN A FEW DECADES AGO ACROSS THE IDEOLOGICAL SPECTRUM AND IT WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW.

ALI: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY PREMISED OR NETANYAHU SAID TODAY AGAINST THE AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER ANTHONY ALBANESE.

HE SAID, AUSTRALIAN SUPPORT AND RECOGNITION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE IS AMONG THE FACTORS THAT LED TO THIS ATTACK.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT?

AMY: IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN JEWS ARE TARGETED FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT THAT IS ANTI-SEMITISM.

IT IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE ACTIONS OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

CONFLATING THESE THINGS ONLY LEADS TO JEWS BEING LESS SAFE.

WHAT WE NEED FROM POLITICAL LEADERS, WHETHER IT IS PRIME MINISTER'S, PRESIDENT TRUMP ANY LEADER AROUND THE WORLD, ENCOUNTERING ANTI-SEMITISM IS A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY APPROACH.

A REFUSAL TO WEAPONIZE AND EXPLOIT THE LEGITIMATE FEARS AND CONCERNS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.

ALI: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT RESPONSE, WHAT CAN WE ALL DO?

FROM LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD TO INDIVIDUALS?

AMY: WE HAVE A GOOD ROADMAP FOR THIS.

THE BIDEN HARRIS ADMINISTRATION HAD A STRATEGY TO COUNTER ANTI-SEMITISM, AND THE ENVOY IN AUSTRALIA HAS A SIMILAR PLAN.

WE KNOW IT REQUIRES US TO BUILD BROADER DEMOCRATIC RESILIENCE, PROTECTING CORE DEMOCRATIC NORMS, BUILDING EDUCATION AND RESILIENCY SO HATE AND EXTREMISM IS NOT INDOCTRINATED IN THE FIRST PLACE, TEACHING MEDIA AND DIGITAL -- PROTECTING TITLE VI, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SEEN DISINVESTMENT FROM THESE PROGRAMS BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND IN OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD.

WE NEED THE WHOLE OF SOCIETY, WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH THAT UNDERSTANDS IT IS INHERENT TO PROTECTING DEMOCRACY.

ALI: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

JOHN: IN THE DAY'S OTHER HEADLINES, IN BERLIN, THERE WERE MORE TALKS TODAY ON HOW TO END THE WAR IN UKRAINE.

UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SPECIAL ENVOY STEVE WITKOFF AND TRUMP SON IN LAW JARED KUSHNER MET FOR FIVE HOURS AND ARE SET TO MEET AGAIN MONDAY.

EARLIER, ZELENSKYY APPEARED TO BE WILLING TO ABANDON HIS GOAL OF NATO MEMBERSHIP IF HE GOT SECURITY GUARANTEES.

TOMORROW THE GROUP WILL BE JOINED BY EUROPEAN LEADERS.

IN GAZA, LARGE CROWDS GATHERED FOR THE FUNERAL OF A TOP HAMAS COMMANDER WHO WAS KILLED IN AN ISRAELI STRIKE OUTSIDE GAZA CITY.

ISRAEL SAID RAED SAAD HAD BEEN TRYING TO REBUILD HAMAS IN VIOLATION OF THE CEASEFIRE.

HE WAS ALSO BELIEVED TO BE THE LAST REMAINING LIVING ARCHITECT OF THE OCTOBER 7TH ATTACKS.

HAMAS SAID IT HAD NAMED A NEW COMMANDER.

AND, IT WILL BE A FRIGID START TO THE WORK WEEK FOR MANY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECASTS AN ARCTIC BLAST WILL PLUNGE TEMPERATURES IN THE EAST AND BRING MORE SNOW TO THE GREAT LAKES.

FREEZE WARNINGS ARE EXPECTED AS FAR SOUTH AS GEORGIA.

IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, HEAVY RAINS ARE EXPECTED TO RETURN TOMORROW AND COULD LEAD TO FLASH FLOODING IN THAT ALREADY - SATURATED AREA.

STILL TO COME ON "PBS NEWS WEEKEND" -- A NEW BOOK HIGHLIGHTS PATAGONIA 'S PATH TO BECOMING A GLOBAL CORPORATE LEADER IN DOING WELL BY DOING GOOD.

AND, A DOG WITH PROSTHETIC TITANIUM PAWS SUPPORTS WAR VETERANS IN UKRAINE.

♪ >> THIS IS THE "PBS NEWS WEEKEND" FROM THE DAVID M RUBENSTEIN STUDIO IN WETA, HOME OF THE PBS NEWS HOUR WEEKNIGHTS ON PBS.

JOHN: SURVEYS CONSISTENTLY RANK PATAGONIA AS ONE OF THE MOST REPUTABLE BRANDS IN AMERICA NOT JUST FOR ITS OUTDOOR CLOTHING AND GEAR, BUT ALSO FOR BEING GOOD ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDS.

THAT COMES FROM ITS ICONOCLASTIC FOUNDER, YVON CHOUINARD.

WHEN HE RETIRED HE DID NOT CASH OUT BY SELLING THE BILLION-DOLLAR COMPANY -- HE TRANSFERRED IT TO A TRUST THAT USES PATAGONIA'S PROFITS TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND PROTECT UNDEVELOPED LAND.

THE STORY OF BOTH THE COMPANY AND ITS FOUNDER IS TOLD IN A NEW BOOK, "DIRTBAG BILLIONAIRE: HOW YVON CHOUINARD BUILT PATAGONIA, MADE A FORTUNE, AND GAVE IT ALL AWAY."

EARLIER I SPOKE WITH THE AUTHOR, DAVID GELLES, A REPORTER ON THE NEW YORK TIMES CLIMATE TEAM.

I ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN THE BOOK'S TITLE.

DAVID: A LOT OF PEOPLE HEAR THE TITLE AND THINK I MUST NOT HAVE LIKED THE GUY, BUT QUITE TO THE CONTRARY, YVON CHOUINARD HIMSELF ACTUALLY CALLS HIMSELF A DIRTBAG.

IN THE CLIMBING COMMUNITY THAT HE CAME FROM, A DIRTBAG IS ACTUALLY A TERM OF ENDEARMENT.

IT REFERS TO SOMEONE WHO'S SO UNENAMORED WITH MATERIALISM THAT THEY'RE CONTENT TO SLEEP IN THE DIRT.

BUT WHEN HE HEARD THE TITLE OF THE BOOK, HE ACTUALLY DIDN'T LIKE IT.

NOT BECAUSE OF THE WORD DIRTBAG, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WORD BILLIONAIRE.

HE NEVER WANTED TO BE KNOWN AS A BILLIONARE.

JOHN: NOT ONLY THAT BUT HE SAID HE NEVER WANTED A COMPANY OR TO BE A BUSINESSMAN SO HE ENDS UP RUNNING A BILLION-DOLLAR COMPANY, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

DAVID: THAT IS THE GREAT PARADOX AT THE HEART OF YVON CHOUINARD'S STORY AND PATAGONIA.

THIS IS A MAN WHO GREW UP DESPISING BUSINESSMEN, WHO GREW UP LOATHING CORPORATE AMERICA.

AND YET, NEVERTHELESS, HE WOUND UP RUNNING A COMPANY WITH MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS IN ANNUAL SALES.

HOW THAT HAPPENED HE WOUND UP , MAKING PRODUCTS THAT PEOPLE REALLY LIKED.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS BY -- IN THIS VERY IMPERFECT SYSTEM IS BY RUNNING A SORT OF CONVENTIONAL COMPANY.

JOHN: [16:29:45]AND ALSO YOU MENTIONED HE HE HATED THE TERM BILLIONAIRE.

HE WAS VERY IRKED WHEN HE GOT ON THE FORBES LIST OF BILLIONAIRES.

HOW DID HE HANDLE THAT PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND INTERNALLY?

DAVID: THE DAY HE WAS PLACED ON THE FORBES LIST OF BILLIONAIRES FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2017, HE CALLED IT ONE OF THE WORST DAYS OF HIS LIFE.

HE WOUND UP STOMPING AROUND THE OFFICE, HUFFING, MAD, SCREAMING AT PEOPLE, DEMANDING THAT HIS LIEUTENANTS FIND A WAY TO GET HIM OFF THAT LIST.

BUT OF COURSE, IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE BECAUSE HE WAS INDEED A BILLIONAIRE ON PAPER.

ULTIMATELY HE AND HIS FAMILY GAVE AWAY THE EQUITY IN PATAGONIA, WHICH LED TO THIS REALLY PROFOUND PHILANTHROPIC TRANSACTION IN 2022, WHERE HE RENOUNCED HIS OWNERSHIP OF THE COMPANY.

JOHN: RENOUNCED HIS OWNERSHIP AND WHERE DO ALL THE PROFITS GO?

DAVID: ALL THE PROFITS FROM PATAGONIA THE COMPANY THAT ARE NOT REINVESTED IN THE COMPANY ITSELF, ARE DONATED TO A SERIES OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY SET UP.

AND THAT AMOUNTS TO ROUGHLY $100 MILLION A YEAR.

JOHN: [16:31:24]YOU'RE RIGHT THAT HE WAS AN OUTSIDER FROM THE TIME HE STARTED GRADE SCHOOL.

WAS THAT A THREAD THAT RAN THROUGH HIS LIFE?

DAVID: THAT STARTED FROM AN EARLY AGE.

HE WAS RAISED IN FRENCH CANADIAN MAINE.

WHEN HE SHOWED UP IN CALIFORNIA WHEN HE WAS 10 YEARS OLD WITH HIS FAMILY, HE DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH.

AND SO AS HE GROWS UP AS AN ADOLESCENT, HE FINDS HIMSELF SORT OF ON THE MARGINS OF POLITE SOCIETY.

AND THAT LEADS HIM FIRST TO BEING A FALCONER, WHICH IS TO SAY HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND CAPTURING BIRDS OF PREY AS A TEENAGER, LEARNING HOW TO TRAIN THEM.

AND THEN AS A ROCK CLIMBER, AND THAT LEADS TO A SERIES OF OTHER ADVENTURES AND THEN TO HIM STARTING AND GROWING THIS BUSINESS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THE BECOMES KNOWN AS PATAGONIA.

HE'S BEEN AN ICONOCLAST, AN OUTSIDER HIS WHOLE LIFE.

IT STARTED AS AN OUTDOORSMAN, BUT THEN EVEN AS HE BECAME A VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, HE DID SO IN REALLY UNCONVENTIONAL WAYS.

JOHN: TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE HE DID THINGS THAT A NORMAL RETAILER PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE.

HE HAD A VERY POPULAR PRODUCT LINE THAT HE JUST ENDED BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS DAMAGING ROCKS, DAMAGING THE EARTH.

DAVID: THIS IS ONE OF THE PATTERNS THAT REPEATS ITSELF, THIS NOTION THAT YVON CHOUINARD WAS WILLING TO JUST DISAVOW A POPULAR PRODUCT LINE IF HE DISCOVERED THAT IT HAD A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

HE DID IT VERY EARLY ON WHEN HE DISCOVERED SOME OF THE CLIMBING GEAR HE WAS USING WAS DAMAGING THE ROCKS THAT HE WAS CLAIMING.

HE DID IT AGAIN IN THE 1980S WHEN HE DISCOVERED THAT CONVENTIONAL COTTON, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS BEING TREATED WITH FORMALDEHYDE, ALL SORTS OF OTHER TOXIC CHEMICALS, WHEN HE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SAID WE'RE , SWITCHING TO ORGANIC COTTON.

NOW THAT MEANT SACRIFICING SOMETHING LIKE 20% OF SALES OVERNIGHT.

BUT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO HIM TO RUN A COMPANY THAT HAD HIGH ETHICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS THAN IT WAS TO JUST KEEP PURSUING PROFITS OR EVEN SALES AT ALL COSTS.

JOHN: TALK ABOUT IT AT THE END WHEN HE WHEN HE GAVE THE COMPANY AWAY, HE SAID HE HOPED THAT HE WOULD INFLUENCE A NEW FORM OF CAPITALISM THAT DOESN'T END UP WITH A FEW RICH PEOPLE AND A BUNCH OF POOR PEOPLE.

ARE THERE ANY SIGNS THAT THAT'S WORKED, THAT THAT INFLUENCE HAS BEEN FELT?

DAVID: I THINK IT IS TOO MUCH TO ASK COMPANY OR ONE INDIVIDUAL, SOMEONE LIKE YVON CHOUINARD, TO CHANGE THE WHOLE COURSE OF CAPITALISM.

THAT'S A TALL ORDER.

WHAT I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE IS THAT OVER THE YEARS, PATAGONIA REALLY HAS HAD AN IMPACT ON OTHER COMPANIES AND ON CORPORATE AMERICA AT LARGE.

AND YOU CAN SEE ITS INFLUENCE IN GROUPS LIKE THE BEAT CORP MOVEMENT, IN GROUPS LIKE TIME TO VOTE, THE SUSTAINABLE APPAREL COALITION, THE TEXTILE EXCHANGE.

THESE ARE ALL INITIATIVES THAT PATAGONIA AND YVON CHOUINARD ACTUALLY HELP START VERY QUIETLY IN THE BACKGROUND.

WHEN YOU LOOK TO A NEW GENERATION OF CEOS WHO SAY THEY ARE DRAWING THEIR INSPIRATION FROM PATAGONIA, FROM CHOUINARD, TRYING TO DO BUSINESS DIFFERENTLY, THERE TOO.

YOU CAN SEE THE FINGERPRINTS OF PATAGONIA.

THOSE, I WISH IT WEREN'T THE CASE, ARE STILL THE EXCEPTIONS THAT PROVE THE RULE.

THE REALITY IS, MOST COMPANIES ARE NOT LIKE PATAGONIA TODAY.

JOHN: DAVID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

♪ JOHN: BEFORE WE GO TONIGHT, WE INTRODUCE YOU TO A VERY SPECIAL AND VERY GOOD DOG IN UKRAINE.

AT THIS REHABILITATION FACILITY IN KYIV, SOME OF UKRAINE'S WOUNDED WARRIORS WORK HARD TO LEARN HOW TO USE THEIR NEW LIMBS.

IF THEY NEED INSPIRATION TO PERSEVERE, THEY CAN LOOK TO A DOG NAMED LAVR.

>> YOU FEEL A SENSE OF EMOTIONAL RELIEF ESPECIALLY WITH A DOG , HERE ON PROSTHETICS, JUST LIKE US.

IT'S TRULY WONDERFUL.

JOHN: LAVR WAS FOUND NEAR ODESA'S RAILWAY STATION AFTER A TRAIN HAD SEVERED HIS FRONT PAWS.

NOW, HE USES PROSTHETIC PAWS.

THEY'RE MADE OF TITANIUM JUST LIKE AMPUTEES' PROSTHETICS.

AND, LIKE MANY OF THE PATIENTS, THEY'RE INTEGRATED WITH HIS BONES THROUGH AN ADVANCED RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY PROCEDURE CALLED OSSEOINTEGRATION.

LAVR'S OWNER IS THE FOUNDER OF THE REHAB CENTER.

>> IT'S REMARKABLE THAT OUR WORK INSPIRED THE VETERINARIAN, A TRAUMA SURGEON, TO PERFORM OSSEOINTEGRATION ON THIS DOG.

AND IS SUCCEEDED.

THEY DESIGNED AND PRODUCED TITANIUM IMPLANTS.

JOHN: HE'S A FIXTURE AT THE CENTER, PLAYING WITH PATIENTS AND JOINING IN PHYSIOTHERAPY SESSIONS.

LAVR BEHAVES AS IF HIS PROSTHETICS WERE HIS NATURAL PAWS.

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE DOG HAS ACCEPTED THE PROSTHETICS.

HE DOESN'T CHEW THEM - HE LICKS THEM, TREATING THEM AS HIS OWN PAWS.

IF THEY FELT ARTIFICIAL TO HIM, HE WOULD HAVE CHEWED THEM OFF - HE'S A DOG, AFTER ALL.

JOHN: AS LAVR ROAMS THE CENTER, HE'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF SO MANY OF THESE SOLDIERS WHO LOST LIMBS ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

>> THE DOG CAN WALK NOW, AND I WANT TO AS WELL.

SOON, I'LL BE ABLE TO WALK TOO.

>> THE DOG WANTS TO LIVE - JUST LIKE WE DO.

AND I'LL WALK TOO - NOT ON FOUR LEGS, BUT ON TWO.

♪ JOHN: NOW ON THE NEWSHOUR INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT, SIMON OSTROVSKY GOES INTO DEPTH ON A NEW LAWSUIT AGAINST U.S.

TECH COMPANIES THAT SUPPLIED IRAN AND RUSSIA WITH MICROCHIPS USED IN MISSILES AND DRONES TO ATTACK UKRAINE.

ALL THAT AND MORE IS ON THE NEWSHOUR INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT.

AND THAT IS PBS NEWS WEEKEND FOR THIS SUNDAY.

FOR ALL OF US AT PBS NEWS, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

HAPPY HANUKKAH.

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